Avatar Book 3 : Chapter 16 : The Southern Raiders
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Zuko confronts Katara about her distrustful disposition toward him and finds out that Katara is taking her anger about her mother’s death out on him. He then decides to help Katara find the Fire Nation soldier responsible for killing her mother. They find out that her mother said she was the last Waterbender to protect the real last Waterbender of the Southern Water Tribe: her daughter Katara. Katara finds herself unable to kill the man when she finally confronts him. After returning, Aang is proud of her for not seeking her revenge, and Katara finally forgives Zuko of his past betrayal in the Ba Sing Se catacombs.
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someone:
Hmmn…I don’t like the quality…it’s really fuzzy and it hurts my ears. but at least i can watch it and the parental controls dont block it…oh well
Posted on April 7th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
chuckers:
hey! thanks for uploading this episode of avatar. it’s the one i missed!
one of my favorites now!
keep it up guys! it’s really great of you to have the shrine and all!
Posted on April 8th, 2009 at 5:13 am
zukoloova:
i don’t want katara to fall in love with zuko.
katara + aang =4eva
Posted on August 30th, 2009 at 8:16 am
kat:
Katara and Zuko forever!!!!!!!
Posted on September 4th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
cookehs:
mmm… cookehs… oh wait… dis is ’bout the vid. dammit… i wish katara and zuko was together D’: but oh well. for some reason… i just feel disturbed, when aang and katara uhm… erh…. uhh… erhm… kiss O.O”
Posted on September 17th, 2009 at 4:58 am
bambamnicks:
Katara and Zuko should soooo be together, i thought that even when avatar first started! But i do feel sorry for May, she got arrested for helping him and now hes prob gna fall in love with someone else lol
Posted on September 17th, 2009 at 11:21 am
flamio:
as if, katara is for aang… period
Posted on September 19th, 2009 at 6:23 am
miko:
“so why don’t you take my mother, that would be fair” LOL :))
Posted on October 1st, 2009 at 8:30 am
LightningH7:
wouldn’t it be really ironic if Jet WAS still alive, and he joined team Avatar? Do you think he’d try to stop Katara, or just go with it?
Posted on October 11th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Katara141:
ZUTARA NINJAZ!!!
Posted on October 11th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Dith:
I think Katara is not the good partner for Aang and Zuko. Katara is so, I-wanna-be-the-mum person -.-. I actually think that Toph and Zuko are a pretty couple, only Toph needs to be a little taller.
And Aang fits with one of those girls who he met in the earlier episode!
Posted on October 23rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
sarah gambill:
mai is not one of team avatar she`s dangerous more then that she cast a spell on zuko i wish she will get kicked out of the fire nation palace right now and zuko will just forget it about mai right now he could just be with katara aang is too young for a womans age zuko doesnt need mai anymore
Posted on October 27th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Zaphod Beeblebrox:
The only thing that the term ”Zutara” would apply to is a pair of professional assasins… But as the saying goes: Opposites attract.
Posted on October 31st, 2009 at 7:10 pm
isabelle:
i think that sokka should be together with tai-lee or toph, but at the same time i like suki.
Posted on November 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 am
hannah:
niceeeeeeeeeeeeee
Posted on November 30th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
hannah:
i love this wbsite i get on everyday! its so cool iswear i dont know what id do with uot it. i think id haave a heart attak! lol
Posted on November 30th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
ray:
omg! so would i! i cannot live without this website its amazing!
Posted on December 6th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Peace:
I don’t have the time to get into an in-depth explanation of
why Zutara is the most rational pairing because it is too complicated and multi-faceted to summarize. What is horrible is how this ship and perspective is misportayed and trashed by
Kataangers/Maikoans when they don’t have the depth of mind and character, open-mindedness, capacity for insight, life
experience, or psychological understanding to understand it and
they created an unfounded hatred that is so vile and wrong
because Zutara is such a good, deep, complex, and beautiful
coupling. The canon couplings ironically created a block/barrier
from understanding the characters and themes while making no
use of the symbolism. I would say 95% of Kataang/Maiko do not
understand , respect, or empathize with Zuko’s life, personality,
and redemptive arc which is why they do not understand Zutara.
For the people who were analyzing Zuko profoundly, it was the most logical to pair him with Katara because you see the most
powerful parallels and similarities between them which also
flows beautifully when the symbolism and themes of Avatar. It
was too complex for most children to understand but there was
no reason for such a blind and brutal bandwagon mentality to
be launched against Zutara. Zuko and Katara would have balanced each other out. They have the best capacity for challenging, deepening, understanding each other and fulfilling
each other needs, desires, and voids. What unites them is stronger than what divides them. In fact what divides them by the end of the story is purely superifical and external because the internal barriers are removed once Zuko understands his life, humanity, and what the right side was by dynamically overcoming years of evil brainwashing from the fire nation and emotional abuse that caused him to make those mistakes. Zuko and Katara also have the greatest access to pain and empathy. You see similarities in their personalities, pain, struggles, reactions, attitudes, and they are the most alike of the characters once you forgive and overcome the prejudice regarding Zuko’s past. People
don’t realize how extraordinary Zuko was to even realize what the right side and right perspective was despite his upbringing.
Zutara was epic, unique, and inspirational. What was intriguing is how they seem like opposites in the beginning but you discover that their inner character, motivations, and basic natures are the most alike and they seem made for each other.
That was just such a light summary of why I ship Zutara.
It would take a whole book to discuss all of the aspects, reasons,
and layers behind why I chose to ship it. It would also take a
whole essay to explain why I did not like Kataang/Maiko and
why it conflicted with the characters and essence of the show
and why Zutara would have enhanced it. The choice of Kataang/
Maiko had a destructive mental influence and created such ignorance and foul hatred that the show was preaching against.
It did not even realize how wrong of a choice Kataang/Maiko was until the I analyzed all of the commentary. There was a lack of chemistry and an imbalanced dynamic between Aang & Katara mentally, physically, spiritually, and emotionally. You also don’t
turn the big sister-mother-caretaker-teacher figure into the love interest especially since she didn’t reciprocate his puppy-dog
obsessive infatuation and inappropriate infatuation which he immaturely labeled as true love until the very end because it was what the main protagonist wanted. You don’t pair off a kid with a
teenager who had the spirit of a woman together. It was also about nuturing his needs, not hers. There were so many ways in which Katara and Aang would not click well romantically. They
were better off as friends and as a family-unit. There were many reasons I didn’t like Kataang. I just lightly addressed a few of
them. Katara need somebody who was far more dynamic,
complex, intense, mature, with a far wider emotional and
psychological spectrum like Zuko.
Maiko, don’t even get me started on it. She was probably the least compatible with Zuko out of all of the main
female characters. Even Toph, Suki, Jin, Song, and Ty Lee were
more compatible than Mai. In fact, I think even Aang and Sokka
were more compatible with Zuko than Mai. Mai was a nihilist
and depressive sociopath who reflected no deeper understanding of the evils of the fire nation, showed NO concern or understanding of Zuko’s then-internal conflict, struggles, pain,
and true character/motivations. Even when they were on the same side on the surface, she did not treat him with respect and
blew him off when he tried to communicate and confide with her.
It was shallow and dysfunctional, yet he goes back to her? She
saved him but it was not for deep reasons. Kataang/ Maiko also felt unnatural and contrived…they lacked even a decent amount
of chemistry. Maiko made it seem as if Zuko’s reformation and
evolution did not matter. It was a consolation ship to pair Zuko off with somebody to remove the threat of a plausible hookup with
Katara. The canon couples only made sense to the most superficial who were also the most spiteful about their ships.
I empathized with the boy Zuko was, fell in love with the
man he had become at the end of his journey, and was intrigued by the possibly of how he would evolve and shape the world in the future. I wanted him to find true love, happiness, peace,
and fufillment with the character who deserved him the most,
Katara. Not for him to settle with a dark and depressive character who doesn’t understand him and who does not care about the world. I identified the most with Katara and wanted her to end up with her passionate equal, the yang to her ying. Not to end up with her younger best friend who was a like a little brother to
her out of obligation and misdirected unhealthy emotions.
Posted on December 7th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Team Toph:
Toph and Zuko or Toph and Sokka make a cute couple! Toph’s the best character on the show!
And Mai and Zuko don’t make a good couple even though I like Mai. When she said “Just take the bear.” I ROFL’d.
Posted on December 9th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Willthack14:
Zuko and Katara do make the most sense together, for reasons of age, personality type, etc. But everybody knows she will be with Aang, it has always been inevitable. This is, despite how awesome it could have been, essentially a kids show. The hero has to eventually get the girl he’s been aiming for the whole damn series. But the Burning Rock Mai incident pretty much confirmed that us poor Zutara shipper were screwed, and the sixteen year old hottie will end up with the thirteen year old bald kid. Naturally.
Posted on December 9th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Willthack14:
What annoys me is the inconsistencies of Zuko’s character’s in the late episodes. He is laid back, practically let’s the other people in Aang’s walk all over him. He’s too smiley. But with the Southern Raiders episode, he seems to sort of go into remission with his more savage qualities. They made him too nice in the new episodes. You don’t go from obsessive, murderous, egotistical nut job to wuss in a span of a few weeks unless you have been severely tortured for the whole period of that time. They have his personality right in this one, but not so much in 13-15. But at least they got it right in Sozen’s Comet.
Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 2:02 am
Avatarisgreat:
LOL i wish sokka would be with toph idk she seems to like him and they look good together
Posted on December 10th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
aaCiiiDDxXxxxX:
ZUTARA FOREVER!! ^_^ Psssh Kataang doesn’t work out. Seriously. >_>
Posted on December 15th, 2009 at 3:08 am
pyromaniac:
Hey Willthack14
It is “Sozin” not “Sozen”
And Katara is 14 not 16
Posted on December 19th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Chipmunk:
Kitara is not 16, she is 14.
Aang is 12
Toph is 12
Sokka is 15
Azula is 15
Zukko is 16….
I’m not sure how old Mai and Ty Lee are, I dont think Wikipedia specified….
I love this episode, Katara displayed some SERIOUS power in this one…she handled up…She gonna be on my team…
Posted on December 26th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Elise:
Katara and Zuko?!?!?!? EW NO!!!! katara and aang totally
and toph would be cute wit sokka….but i think hes better with suki
Posted on January 1st, 2010 at 12:53 am
Elise:
the blood bending still freaks me out *shudders*
Posted on January 1st, 2010 at 12:54 am
Aaron:
i love the avatar there soo needs to be a book 4
Posted on January 7th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Bermuda:
Thank you Peace for your intelligent post. You explained Zutara well and why Maiko is so dysfunctional. I can’t believe somebody said “Ew” in regards to Zutara, that was immature and uncalled for. They looked beautiful together and their dynamic balanced not only each other in terms of the character development but displayed the themes of the story. Of course, this page is not the right place for a deep discussion. I am not suprised Kataang kids
are posting without providing any rationale. Kataang grossed me out and offended me for how Katara was treated like a prize for the hero. I knew the setup but it was not right on so many levels and I don’t think it was inevitable. Zuko was just as much ( I felt even more so) a hero than Aang. It is not just about getting the girl in the end, but ending up with the right person that can fufill your needs and make you happy.
Maiko made no sense for anybody who understood Zuko on an emotional and psychological level. It degraded Zuko in the worst way. Then again most of Kataang/Maiko supporters don’t seem to understand Zuko and reject issues to affirm their ships. Kataang and the ex deux machina was my least favorite parts of the show,
it really ruined the experience. I loved the Southern Raiders because it deals with moral relativism and it displays how the canon romances don’t work. Getting preachy without empathy or not having an adult understanding of raw human emotion was a huge flaw of Aangs. I can’t stand the Zuko bashing, but it is no suprise considering it is being mostly visited by Kataangers/Maiko who can’t understand Zuko. Zuko was the most extraordinary hero and there was nothing “wussy” about him or his life. The reasoning behind calling him a wuss is so backwards and superficial. It was Aang, not Zuko who had the most inconsistencies. Zuko felt guilty over his past and was more mild-mannered to gain more acceptance with the Gaang. He had to prove his honor, goodness, and loyalty…instead of imposing himself on him. He was forced to be aggressive earlier on and you don’t seem to get how his background, family, etc shaped his life and personality. He was never murderous nor egotistical. He was
never a nutjob and there was a motive/psychology behind his behavior. Azula was the obsessive, murderous, egotistical nutjob
and Zuko never wussed out on anything. My number one issue with Kataang/Maiko is how those ill-suited romance setups got in the way from many fans, especially children, from understanding the depth and complexity behind Zuko and Katara. I wish more people read Peace’s post and understand the truth behind it.
For critical thinkers who recognized the flaws, inconsistencies of the series, especially with the “romance” if you can’t even call it that..visit the page The Cake was a lie, an ATLA venting community for more intelligent and in-depth discussion. You would think Peace’s response would incite more intelligent posts, not the other way around.
Posted on January 11th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Tasha::
I think Zuko and Katara are cute together but it wouldn’t be right. I love Katara and Aang they’re cute together even though Aang is shorter than her. I hate Mai I don’t think her and Zuko should stay together. I like Zuko with someone else maybe the girl from the episode Tales of Ba Sing Se.
Posted on January 13th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Peace:
A friend of mine posted a message here a few days ago. It
was deleted and that is not fair. You need to restore her post.
You can’t just impose your kataang bias on other people’s statements especially when she provided an intelligent rebuttal to other people’s posts. If you have integrity, you will restore her posts. Otherwise, people will stop posting when they become aware of the unfairness and editing.
Posted on January 13th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
jaynelle:
hehehehe..
how about
aang and zuko they are compatible…how sweet…hehehe
Posted on January 20th, 2010 at 3:16 am
Leela:
oh why oh why cant sokka see that
toph is so much more assum than suki
sokka and toph would make the cutest
couple ever !!!!!!!
Posted on January 22nd, 2010 at 2:34 am
wahaha!:
the best couple will be Kataapa & Zukomomo nyahahaha!
Posted on January 25th, 2010 at 11:16 am
rose:
People can say ew about whatever they please. I don’t believe it was uncalled for at all. It was an expression of their beliefs.
I don’t believe in Katara being with Zuko. I don’t like Katara at all. I’d give some reasons why, but I really don’t want to type out a whole essay. I don’t care enough too.
I think this show is full of great characters and a lot of them are trying to find out who they really are which makes for great character development and plot development.
My favorite characters are probably Aang, Zuko, Iroh, and Toph.
He’s hilarious. I also like Appa and Momo.
Sokka is a good character too
I don’t like Katara, even though there aren’t many reasons not to like her. I don’t like Azula but I think she’s hilarious. I don’t like Mei even though she’s great too.
Wow. I’m surprised I wrote this much. lol XD
Posted on February 6th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Zanth:
I think the most amusing thing about ALL these comments is how much thought people have put into it. I almost feel like I’m reading a bunch of emo vampire or angsty werewolf side choosing stuff here (Twilight stuff for those not getting “my take” on it).
To surmise….it’s a freakin cartoon…these characters aren’t real. As someone else said, they could pair Kataara and Apa and Zuko and Momo together for all it matters! The show is great for its lessons and personally, I love the martial arts behind it all.
I will say, however, that Aang IS 112…so he’s actually maybe a little too OLD for Kataara, lol…And his monk qualities mixed with his desire to still be a kid make him seem more superficial then he truly is.
Posted on February 7th, 2010 at 12:04 am
gameover:
i like ty lee his cute but i dont like may hes boooooring.
Posted on February 12th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
avatar fan:
cool episode every1 rockss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!XD
Posted on February 20th, 2010 at 5:58 am
aesara:
Have to admit, I’m very confused at some people’s obsessive need to pair characters. Guess what: in real life there are people who might go their whole lives without a romantic relationship and that does not automatically mean they are unhappy or somehow unfulfilled.
I’m not going to bash anyone’s pairing, but what I will say is that there are canon pairings in the series. There is nothing wrong with liking a non-canon pairing, but those people who do should not simply assume that those who like the canon pairings are immature or do not understand the characters. The people who understand the characters best are the people who created them, if we really want to get into that. Nobody on here other than one of the Avatar creators should go around telling everyone how is right and is wrong. If there’s a pairing you like, give your reasons. You don’t need to fight each other over something so trivial as a pairing which is not even in existence in a FICTIONAL work.
Posted on February 22nd, 2010 at 1:37 pm
aesara:
-insert pairing here- is right and -insert pairing here- is wrong*
Posted on February 22nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm
avatar:
meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeean
Posted on February 25th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
the doctor:
ok first off i just wanna say wow to the huge post about who should be with who lol…in my opion yes zuko has changed and he deserves to be with someone that can understand wat he went through but if you remember the episode where about the ember island tahat was about azula and zuko and mai and ty lee it tells you about all their past and why they are the way they are including mai as to why she is so unemotional its because of how she was brought up…as for aang and katara yes katara acts motherly to aang but thats not necessarliy a bad thing…to have some that just generally cares about your well being like that i believe that they have more in common than you guys show…i mean aang lost his entire tribe in a fire nation raid well he was frozen in the ice…he knows what the pain of loss is and katara understands that….they look good together and they protray a good chemistry especially in the episode of a cave between to lovers or something like that in the first season..anyways im done writing lol
Posted on March 1st, 2010 at 7:01 pm
sam KBKASSDa:
ok im here on one mission only to state the fact that aang is not to young for katara shes to young for him cuz remember that aang is 113 years old and kataras 15 years old and yes they do make a great couple and im not seeing how toph and aang could be together because by the looks of it seems like toph cant really stand aang that much. SO REMEMBER PEOPLE KATARAS NOT TO OLD FOR AANG HES 113 YEARS OLD AND SHES FIFTEEN STOP SAYING HES TOO YOUNG ITS BUGGING THE HELL OUT OF ME. AND YES THEY SHOULD MAKE A BOOK 4 AIR.
AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AT THE END OF BOOK 2 EARTH WHEN AANG GOT SHOT WITH LIGHTNING HE DIED DIDNT HE BECAUSE AT THE BEGINNING OF BOOK 3 FIRE HE SAID I WAS GONE AND KATARA BROUGHT HIM BACK SO DOESNT THAT MEAN THERES GONNA BE ANOTHER AVATAR CUZ WHEN ROKU DIED AANG WAS BORN SO THERES ANOTHER AVATAR THAT WAS BORN IN THE WATER TRIBE SO THERES TWO AVATARS. LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ANOTHER SERIES PEOPLE.
Posted on March 2nd, 2010 at 10:27 pm
ilove avatar:
Idont know…. katara & zukko looks REALLY cute for each other but den who would aang be with? iguess dats y its paired da way it is
&hell yea,katara did some serious waterbending in dis episode !!!!
Posted on March 5th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
#####:
Luvin dat episode!!!!
Um, peace, I think u went a tad overboard with your expalantion. Evry1s allowed there own opinion but ITS A CARTOON! dnt take it so seriously. And calling the Kataaang and the Maiko pairings evil is just plain silly.
Posted on March 7th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Tiana:
Aang and Katara did not have chemistry and they did have a very imbalanced dynamic. It is not healthy for a couple to have a mother-son dynamic or a sibling-like relationship. There is no point in trying to explain Zutara and the deeper reasons why we disliked Kataang/Maiko so much. The biases have become too strong at this point. What I couldn’t stand is the two-faced manner in which Kataangers/Maikoans operate.
Doctor, Aesara…I found your comments to be very offensive and hypocritical. First of all, did you analyze the millions of posts about Avatar on multiple sites? Then you would not say Bermuda or Peace went overboard or that they were being presumptive. I despise how Kataangers/Maikoans ruthlessly attacked Zutara, other pairings, and bullied anyone who dared engaged in critical thinking to a very overwhelming and monstrous level. Then the Zutarians are villifed for reacting to that. The few Zutarians who posted had a strong reaction because of how Kataangers, Maikoans, and Bryke treated us. Kataang and Maiko supporters can insult, degrade, rationalize, or manipulate all they want to because it was canon but the Zutarians are not allowed. The responses to Bermuda and Peace illustrate why Zutarians were so upset with this. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
A clear majority of Kataangers/Maikos were very ignorant and malicious to a very extreme level so Zutarians, multi-shippers, and non-shippers have every right to respond to it. Kataangers/Maikoans don’t get to mistreat and misportray people and perspectives and then demand that their targets refrain from any insults or derogatory remarks. Kataangers/Maikoans love to play innocent and then act like Zutarians were the vile ones who were out of control, not considering the fact Zutarians and other shippers were reacting to Kataangers/Maikoans behavior and commentary.
Posted on March 9th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Tiana:
Kataangers/Maikoans feel it is okay to insult whoever they want, however they want, but the targets cannot respond. As a whole, the Kataangers/Maikoans crossed the line, then the targets who are forced to defend their viewpoints, get treated as if they are crazy, wrong, and overreacting. You can be horribly disrespectful to people on a large scale and then expect respect in return. Peace, Bermuda, and anybody else have every right to react that way.
Doctor, it would take me dozens of pages to offer a rebuttal on your take on Maiko and Kataang. We do understand why the characters are the way they are which is precisely why we don’t want the wrong characters together. It is about character development and compatibility which suits the spirit of the story.
You can’t have a good relationship without understanding or empathy. The two people have to be on the same psychological and ideological level. They have to balance each other out. Aang and Katara have similarities but her similarities with Zuko are much stronger but you have to open your mind to see them.
Another thing that offended me is your attitude about canon and shipping. People usually ship or criticize when they find fault with the story or if the plot, romance, or whatever doesn’t suit the characters. You are promoting blind worship and closed-mindedness. Nobody has any right to tell me what to think or make me feel bad about how I feel, and that includes the creators Mike and Bryan. You are acting that it is wrong to disagree with Mike and Bryan without even considering why we are disagreeing with them. The show had a lot of issues and nobody can manipulate me into thinking Bryke was right about everything. Your attitude is to blindly agree and support everything the creators decide and that it has to be right because it is canon.
Do you support everything you read or see? No. Do you take that attitude towards every book, movie, or show you watch? Only sheep and lackeys take that attitude. You don’t care about the reasoning behind Zutara or other criticisms about the show because it goes against what the creators said.
This is not just about shipping but about critical thinking. I wasn’t a shipper until the show was finished. I am not going to dumb myself down for the creators and ignore issues or mistakes that created huge problems for the show. I’m going to view the show in a intelligent, deep, and rational manner. I am an independent thinker and I am not just going to blindly follow the creators choices if I feel they are shallow and wrong. The rest of you make comments that would offend Zutarians or anybody else who were disappointed at other plot elements but act like we are so aggressive to fight back against that. Kataangers/Maikoans should quit pretending that the debates and bickering was one-sided. You started the war and intolerance. There were no presumptions, some people reacted after years of analyzing behavior and words from a large group of people who tended to exhibit the same vicious behavior and groupthink.
What is also absurd is that people are being mocked for engaging in deep discussions or for caring about the characters. If you are truly invested in a show, you care about the characters and the story on an intense plane. You draw connections to reality. Attitudes towards shows often influence attitudes about subjects and personalities in real life. What was ridiculous is that you don’t care about who gets paired with who even saying Zuko could get paired with Momo and you wouldn’t care. That attitude makes no sense if you are a real fan of the show. That also shows disrespect to the characters and story. You shouldn’t make people feel bad for caring or putting thoughts into their opinions, or for expressing passion. If you really didn’t care then you wouldn’t have bothered posting a response to attack people. The creators were also disrespectful and openly mocked the people in interviews and conventions who did not worship them or blindly support all of their choices. Who you end up with is a big reflection of who you are as a person and what kind of life you will lead. The romance was a big part of the story and it was not trivial.
Kataangers/Maikoans engaged in impossible behavior for over three years. It doesn’t matter what approach you take. You attack people and then slander them for trying to explain their perspectives and for reacting against the hostility. You shouldn’t condemn people for not being lackeys of the creators. Kataangers and Maikoans need to stop pretending they were not responsible for all of this angst and ill will. It was a two-way street. Nobody should be mocked for having passion, intelligence, and deep thought in their viewpoints and discussions.
As for the age thing, another scary side-effect of Kataang is that people act like there is nothing inappropriate about a 12 year old kid hooking up with a 14 yr old ( who is developing into a woman). Would you be fine with 7th graders and Highschool freshman dating seriously? The maturity gap is multiplied twice as much when the girl is older at that stage in development. I feel he was too young for her, not just because of the age but it terms of his maturity, mentality, and development. There were a lot of reasons I disliked Kataang but age was just a part of the reason. People should be not be ridiculed for putting time and thought into their discussions and opinions. Kataangers/Maikoans need to look at their behavior on most of these sites before slandering Zutarians for being so aggressive. I would not have become so emotional and aggressive if not for how Kataang and Maiko reacted.
Posted on March 9th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Melanie:
I agree with Tiana. These Kataangers/Maikoans have some nerve to lecture us on our behavior considering what they put us through for so many years and on so many sites. They started the fight. For years, I would explain Zutara or any other opinions and would be degraded terribly for it. I kept quiet and tried to not stoop to their level. They went too far, too many times and I had enough. It is outrageous and contradictory for these people to act like they were so civilized when they made things very nasty from the beginning and then demand we don’t react to that. The creators are not always right. I don’t have to agree with them on everything especially if it degrades characters or is looking at the story superficially. I know some of the writers liked Zutara but had to go along with Bryke. The Kataangers/Maikoans still continue this on every site even when there is no mention of Zutara. They were just as, if not more, obsessive and fanatical. So quit being self-righteous and hypocritical about the criticism. They carry on this stupid war and they get upset when we fight back.
I don’t want to extend this fight anymore. I think critical thinkers and other Zutarians should not just respond anymore on these kind of sites. It just shows a video clip on a show we have already watched and analyzed to death.
Posted on March 9th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Tiana:
Please display my post. Tiana posted from the same computer but we are two different people. Not fair to delete my post. That was another issue I had with Kataangers/Maikoans. They would delete and edit our posts when we made good arguments. Be fair and objective. People have the right to get emotional and defensive. I am simply reacting to how I and so many others was mistreated.
People also have the right to send in long posts to explain and defend what they feel strongly about. For a lot of people, Avatar was not just a silly cartoon with marital arts but it reflected attitudes on forgiveness, war, politics, family, friendship, leadership, heroism, and love.
Posted on March 9th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Tiana:
I apologize, I meant Melanie. Please show Melanie’s post.
Posted on March 9th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Tiana:
You can’t be horribly dispectful to people and then demand respect in return. I apologize. No more posts from me.
Posted on March 9th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Tiana:
Owner of this site,
You deleted my post which offered rebuttals against people’s
hypocritical responses and attitudes towards the Zutarian posts or for anybody who don’t blindly accept all the choice and mistakes Bryke made. It was a long and intelligent post that had a lot of soul and truth. You displayed your bias and injustice for not displaying that post. It was not fair or right. It was cruel and wrong for you to delete it. Everybody has the right to be defended and share their opinions. I don’t think I crossed the line and other people made inflammatory statements. This is another reason why I did not like Kataang/Maiko. They would delete and edit responses or take stories, comments, fanart without permission.
What you did was corrupt. If you don’t display my posts than I will tell people not to visit your site. Some people already know what you did and they are disgusted. You clearly wanted Zutarians to be told off, disrespected, and mispotrayed without defending themselves or explaining our position. This just displays the two-faced, conniving, and hypocritical behavior of many Kataangers/Maikoans.
If you have integrity, you will display my post like you displayed the other posts who took no shame in insulting other pairings. Apparently, it was okay for Kataang/Maiko to bully and torture people and then wrong for Zutarians and anybody else to respond to that. I only became intense and aggressive because people mistreated me so badly, a lot of other Zutarians, other shippers are going through the same thing. It is not just about shipping but about critical thinking and freedom of thought & expression. It is this kind of cruel and unfair behavior that made people so angry and passionate.
If you choose to be a good person and restore my post and be objective about allowing posts…you won’t hear from me or my friends anymore. You also have permission to delete this post of criticism after you restore the other posts. But every viewpoint and argument needs to be heard. It was wrong and manipulative for these people to act like it was only Zutarians who were obsessive or put down other pairings. The Zutarian response was mainly a reactionary attitude to what we had to put up with. Anybody who analyzed hundreds of posts on multiple sites understand that Bermuda and Peace were not overreacting and were not presumptive in their commentary.
Posted on March 10th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
lalalala:
I understand how angry Katara was at the old man. but i felt kind of sorry for him when they walked off. i guess i just have compassion for old people:P
Posted on March 12th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
lololol:
lololololol
Regardless of Katara/Aang, Mai/Zuko, or Zuko/Katara, I think we all agree that Aang and Zuko have the hots for each other and Zuko and Jet had a love affair before Jet died.
mmmm, young gay love.
Posted on March 23rd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Bshadow4:
Ninja Katara FTW XD
Posted on March 24th, 2010 at 3:28 am
sparkyboomlady:
Wow…Ok first @lololol you made me laugh with the slash pairing XD young gay love indeed ~_^.
Secondly yea Aang is 112 years old but in the present moment he is 12 therfore he is TOO YOUNG! I don’t care what anyone says thats my view on it.
I always wonder if the writers for these shows ever come to sites like these to read debates on their work? If I was a writer I would find this amusing and interesting and probably would be flattered that people are so passionate about it…
The point is everyone has an opinion we should respect it, and too those who think it’s overreacting… well maybe it is abit, but I personally rather be passionate about something I enjoy even if it’s a cartoon or something else.
I myself like Zuko and katara together and Aang with Katara is just weird too me. I’m not trying to push my opnion on anyone just stating it and I agree with most of what ppl like peace and tiana had too say. I have a friend who loves this show just as much as I do and we can talk for hours about why they work and why the other wouldn’t ( we talk about alot of random things hehe )
When you think about yea it does seem crazy this “battle between zutara and aangtara, but I swear writers do this purposely. XD Atleast it lets them know how much people really enjoy and love their characters and that they did a good job in portray their personalty in way that the viewers can understand them just as much as they do. Though they prob don’t waste their times with sites >_>…
Either way this is a great show with great characters that everyone can love. I really don’t like aang and katara together, but hey if somebody else does then hey you do you. It may not make sense too me but we aren’t suppose to make sense too each other are we? I doubt I even did XD just stop bashing opinions of all kind how about that…simple?
Oh and Toph should be with Aang ^_^…someone said it seems like she can’t stand him… Toph is just a sarcastic and a bit cynical person and Aang is optimistic. They are opposites of each other but I think think make a cute couple. They share alot of qualities too… like being their age, haveing fun, and also having this mature and rational side too them. They are both pretty wise ( aang has an adventage cus his the avatar so he has years over her in the wise department…) they would balance each other out. = )
~sigh~ I can’t help too be a shipper _> PEACE!
Posted on March 28th, 2010 at 2:29 am
Jaymi:
I say to hell with Zutara!! It should be Katarang (or Aangara) and Maiku (or Zai). That is how the producers had it and that is how it should be, forever.
Posted on March 30th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Avatar lover - zuko fan:
wow Katara is seriously strong and Zuko finally got her forgiveness of course he had to do some seriously sucking up
but and i read all the comments on how Katara and Zuko should be together and well im gonna have to agree they should be together aang’s a kid who seriously has a crush on Katara but katara is like 14 and hes 12 thats two year age gap but in the end the ppl who make this show choose them to be owell
Posted on April 5th, 2010 at 6:17 am
lololol:
@sparkyboomlady Hey, slash makes the world go ’round.
Or at least, it helps with the overpopulation problem we’re currently having.
Posted on April 7th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Me:
Too much to read…But my point to all of this…Aang has been around 112 years technically yes…BUT…He was frozen in a block of ice for 100 of those years…He’s *Still* a 12 year old mentality…He didn’t learn or grow for those 100 years so that’s a moot point for anyone to be making…
I’m not going to go about blabbing about which pairings are better…Kataang is cute…Zutara is cute…It doesn’t matter any way you want to seed it out…
If you’re going to make this into a psychological profile…As long as the characters are happy with whomever they are with…Don’t push your own beliefs on a relationship when the two people involved are content…Just because you don’t agree with something doesn’t mean it’s your place to step in and complain…Be happy for Kataang…Because they’re happy with each other…But still fantasize about Zutara…
Posted on April 7th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Daniel:
First off, OH MY GOD at the people that have written full length stories here. i think your getting a little too into this debate. but i also appreciatte your passion for this amazing cartoon haha.
and just to have my opinion i am all for the zuko/aang pairing. yay!!!!
but more to the point. i always wondered what happened to those people that were with aangs group in the previous episodes to this. such as wheelchair kid, the duke and haru.
also whatever happened to that fire nation guy who escaped the boiling rock with suki and them. they kinda just got written out of the episodes without any real explanation lol. ah well. i still LOVE this series.
thanks digiavavtar!!!
Posted on April 13th, 2010 at 4:50 am
Awesome:
wow…
It’s really funny when people get all mad over the couplings of fictionl cartoon characters…. I mean, if it bothers you SO much, why don’t you just write your own series, and couple the characters the way you want? Everyone’s happy ^^
@Peace ……did you copy/paste that from somewhere, or did you actually spend God-knows-how-long writing that? XD
Chill people, just roll with the show. If the writers say it’s Kataang, then Kataang it is. If the writers say it’s Zutara, Zutara it is. No-one else has a say, okay? :3:3
Posted on April 16th, 2010 at 11:07 am
haina:
the series has ended.. and they made up coupling final. you guys should be contented on that.
Posted on April 16th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Bardh:
aang + katara = love
Posted on April 24th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
YouAreKiddingme:
I don’t have the time to get into an in-depth explanation of
why Zutara is the most rational pairing because it is too complicated and multi-faceted to summarize.
@Peace Well thank God for that. It’s great that you just provided us with the, erm, basics. Now, ’scuse me while I go laugh myself to death.
It’s a cartoon. A fictional creation that two people came up with one day. They created the characters, therefore don’t they understand them the best?
Seriously, people. You need to grow up, okay? We like the show, but there is no need to write freaking essays on it XDXD
……. Katara x Appa foreeeeevvvvvvveeeeerrrrrrr -runs off- x3×3
Posted on April 25th, 2010 at 6:26 am
Rhia:
Mmmk, so I don’t care if you’re Kataang, Zutara, Maiko, whatever…but we can all agree that Sokka needs to wear his hair down more often, am I right? ^_^
Posted on May 4th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
TOR4REE:
…Aang is twelve and Katara is fourteen.
Not that big of an age gap people.
I’m not being a Katara hater or anything, but her attitude bothers me.
But that’s probably because mine is similar to hers.
Just no.
She needs to calm down and not be so her way or the high way…
Posted on May 6th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
IrohFTW:
wow this is kind of ridiculous all of you people are sitting here bashing each other with essays about 12 and fourteen yr old kids “relationships” in a freakin cartoon, but i will agree with multiple sides on this aang and katara dont belong together for multiple reasons but neither do zuko and katara two people with anger issues dont work out well together and to try bash others simply because they bash you is just down right dumb ya’ll need to take a lesson from gandi “an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. . . . ” so every1 needs to just take a chillaxitive
Posted on May 11th, 2010 at 3:01 am
AvatarZEROdotO:
quit kataang, zutara/maiko, tokka, and whatever… y don’t we just a piar at this way: me, and… … … … … … … …
katara…=^_^=(blushing)
ya see??? she’s so motherly, secksy, cute, caring…. and she can even make sandwich 4 me…^^ and one moar thing i lyk about her… is…. uuummm… she can heal mah booboo… ya know…. i got this big scar on mah arm…^^ katara, could you help out and marrie me???
what would she say???0.o
“EEEWWW!!! i’d rather choose aang…>:(”
i hope she wouldn’t say that…>.>
anyway…
i won’t make this any longer… i <3 you katarah…^^
Posted on May 17th, 2010 at 7:14 am
water tribe angel:
poor katara!i know how she feels. i lost my mom at
a young age 2:( but when i first dis episode i was worried that the series wud end in zutara! thank god aang made out wit her before zuko…dont get me wrong, i like zuko… but he’s got mai, rite?
Posted on May 29th, 2010 at 11:40 am
water tribe angel:
I was bored last nite so i thought “wat charecters would my family be if they were in avatar…
my(real)mom-Kya. she loved me like kya loved katara, and then she died. the fire nation didnt kill her, though, the cancer nation did:’(
dad-sokka. he loves meat and is always acting stupid.
My lil sis Becky-Toph. she looks sweet and innocent, but mess with her and she’ll kick your sorry ass.
stepmom, anna-Ursa(Zuko’s mom)she’s kind n sweet.
stepsis Kate-suki. she’s done karate since she was 5, and is now 17.
stepbro john-zuko. gloomy and wants his alcaholic dad 2 luv him.
my bf, shaun-aang. he’s so funny and always happy.
me-katara, duh!
Posted on May 30th, 2010 at 3:24 am
Chris:
So katara is kind of crazy for a lot of the series.
In a bad, extremely selfish sort of way.
Posted on June 8th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
sarah gambill:
no zuko got katara but aang is toooo young for her ok
Posted on June 10th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Zi:
Even though Zuko is a cartoon before he gets the scar he’s kinda cute
Posted on June 15th, 2010 at 11:37 am
qwerty:
i just can’t get around the fact that after aang and katara kissed it doesn’t come up, it’s like it never happened. You’d think that might add a little awkardness to the group but they just go around like nothing changed - Katara should confront aang if this was going to be realistic at all
Posted on June 18th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Jojo:
Sokka:(in sexy pose) “well, hell-oooooooh!”
That had to be the best Sokka scene in this whole series! XD
Posted on June 19th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Lu:
okay so the mean katara thing is not working, she needs to chill.
but she’s got some nasty skills. she’s grown up so much and gotten so good.
and you people need to chill out. zuko loves mai, and she loves him, and katara and aang love each other. it’s kinda messed up for people to be sayin all this crap about the age difference and stuff, this is just a show, relax…. same thing with sokka and suki. you wouldn’t like it if someone said they don’t approve of your relationship and tellin you who you should be datin.. ohh and i actually like mai, the reason they are so upset with each other is because they deeply care for each other. i love this show and its not that big on romance as the other genres so everyone please calm down.
Posted on June 24th, 2010 at 8:10 am
Ash:
See, this is why the internet sucks, it allows people like Tiana, Peace and Bermuda to come on here, and provide “mature” explanations of relationships- OF F***ING KIDS.
It’s a cartoon, for f***s sake.
@Awesome. You totally live up to your name. Thank you so much for your common sense, which is usually rather rare on the internet.
Jesus, bunch of retards on here.
Also, I found it funny that Bermuda actually encouraged Peace like that, stupid moron.
Posted on June 25th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
Me:
Avatar rules!
Posted on June 27th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
Jess:
I understand why everyone wants Zuko and Katara to be together, but I just don’t see it. I know I don’t have a fancy psychoanalysis to explain why, but it just feels more right for Aang and Katara to be together. Probably because the show’s been pretty much shoving it down our throats since the beginning, but still. What I think is that Katara and Zuko would be too…er, I don’t know…intense? They’re both very angry. Think of what disasters that could lead to. It doesn’t capture the innocence I love so much about this show.
And I’m sort of offended by everyone insisting I don’t understand Zuko. He’s the character I identify most with. Our lives have been eerily similar—though for me, on a much much smaller scale, but I don’t have to explain myself—so I really invested a lot into him. What Iroh said about good and evil constantly being at war inside him is part of that. He has to have both to keep things balanced…you saw what he was like after the “metamorphosis” he went through when he got sick. Too nice. Creepy. Not Zuko. I think that’s what he’d be like with Katara. I mean, it doesn’t have to happen that way—anything’s possible—but that’s how I see it.
Aang and Katara balance each other out in my eyes. True, Aang is immature, but what would Katara be without that playfulness? She’d be even more stressed than she usually is. Without him, she doesn’t really know how to have fun. That’s proven quite a bit throughout the series. And of course, Aang needs someone to balance that out, too. I believe the more time he spends with Katara, the more mature he grows. It’s like yin and yang. And yes, Katara is motherly, but that’s just her nature. She’d do the same thing with Zuko eventually. But has anyone noticed her behavior is different with Aang? Not so motherly, but…loving in a different way?
Maybe it’s just me. Maybe I’m just seeing what I want to see. But nonetheless, it is what it is. For me, anyway, lol.
And guys? If you love Zutara so much…that’s what fan fiction is for. :o)
Posted on June 29th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
chapa:
i love when katara get all angry and intense like that, it gives me chills.
she can really be scary like that. even zuko looked shocked when she started bloodbending that man.
Posted on July 5th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Metal Bender:
I like the new dark katara, zuko just seems to bring her out, yet another reason I vote zutara.
What does sokka want momo for?
Posted on July 6th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
cynna:
i love zutara <3 the creators were originally going to make them a couple, but for the kids they decided to go with katara and ang. Which sucks for us zutara fans, but we can still dream at least =) also to be honest i didn’t really ever watch avatar when i was younger only a couple of shows, but I recently went and watched the movie and thought maybe zuko and katara would end up together, so i went and looked it up on you tube and i found videos about it and they were so right for each other it shocked me when i found out they didn’t end up together
Posted on July 12th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
Haya:
Well, I think everyone has different opinions and everyone should respect eachothers beliefs. The one thing I hate is when people give a full understanding of something, from their point of view, only to have sore losers critisize and diss what they have to say.
I love ATLA and I really wish people could stop with all the nonesence. I mean if they dislike something, maybe they should complain somewhere else… This is a site to watch the show people, it isn’t a site where you can debate!!
But all I wanted to point out was what ‘Ash’ said…
Look man, that was un-called for. Yeah I know people go overboard with the whole shipping crap, but that doesn’t mean you go balistic and call people ‘morons’. I mean come on… grow up much…? And if you dislike the internet so much, why are you on it then?? See its ‘morons’ like you who make the internet so impossible and make ’suck’ so much. There was really no reason why you had to make that comment so personal and just plain rude. If anything, its people like YOU who needs to stop with the whole drama, because your just as bad as everyone else if you write comments like that.
Okay, this is a full statement written by one of my friends…
“Lemme ask those Kataang and Maiko fans this:
Why does Katara think it is her duty to be with the avatar?
Because Aunt Wu told her that she will marry a very powerful bender who she thought was Aang but Aunt Wu wasn’t specific. She could’ve said a powerful earthbender or powerful waterbender or powerful firebender.
What does Katara think of Aang?
“A sweet little guy, like Momo!”
This shows that she thinks he is childish and immature. Either that or she thinks he’s a fluffy creature. o.O
Why did Zuko only allow Katara to touch his scar in the Catacombs of Old Bah Sing Se?
Because she was going to remove his mark he wanted her to. She was going to free him. Not even Mai could do that.
Why was Katara so hurt when Zuko betrayed her?
Because she loved him and she didn’t realise it. He betrayed her and she felt so hurt and upset.
In Ember Island we are told that it reveals your true self. Why does Katara say she is confused to Aang?
Because she doesn’t love him the way he loves her. She feels a different connection with him and that is why she said she was confused.
Why is Mai so rude to Zuko?
“I just asked if you were warm, not for your whole life story”
She doesn’t treat him the way he deserves to be treated. He has had a tough life and his ‘Girlfriend’ goes and says that instead of being comforting.
Why does it seem like Mai only wants Zuko to be royal herself?
“You know what would be fun? Ordering some slaves around!”
More like ordering Zuko around.
In Ember Island Mai acted differently toward Zuko. She was also shown to be flirting with a random guy (Ranjan). Why would she do that if she loved Zuko? You know the way she claims she does?
Because she doesn’t love him like that, sure she said she said she loved Zuko more than she feared Azula but has anyone wondered if she was lying, or if she didn’t realise it at first?
Why is Mai bossy?
“I think it means I kind of like you… But don’t ever dump me again!”
A bit rude don’t you think? I mean he is Fire Lord, he can do what he wants.
Why did Toph be nice to Aang that one moment after they left the cave in the Fire Nation?
“What you did back there, for those kids… was pretty cool… you set them free”
She was complimenting him on a job well done. That is rare for Toph… so why did she do it? BECAUSE SHE LIKES HIM!!!
Why did Aang care so much when Toph got her feet burnt?
“I hate looking for a fight… buat after what he did to Toph, I don’t think we have a choice”
This is because he can’t stand it if Toph got hurt.
Why did Aang over react when he heard that Toph went to see Zuko?
“Well, I kind of whent to see Zuko last night…”
“You What?!”
This is because he was worried for her safety and he didn’t want Zuko to hurt her the way he hurt him, Katara, Sokka, Suki etc.
Food for Thought…”
Thankyou.
Posted on July 14th, 2010 at 5:24 am
lc:
O_O I’m surprised about how passionate people are about the ship wars. I’ve never been in Avatar fandom before (although I’ve been watching the show for a while) and it seems a bit insane.
The couple I prefer though is Zutara - it’s a shame they didn’t put them together. Aang/Katara is just a bit too weird for me - he’s just a child, whereas she seems like a woman - I could never see anything but a brother/sister type relationship. But I actually don’t mind Mai/Zuko, she was totally badass when she saved him at Boiling Rock.
Posted on July 15th, 2010 at 10:32 am
aImMeE:
Kataang does work. and I can can give you a good reason why. a lot of people(zutarians) like to use the agrument “Katara is too old for Aang”, and “Aang is too young for Katara”, and so on, but, if you look carefully, you realise they are not making the situation for their pleasure any better, only worse. Katara is 14. Aang is 12, possibly 13 near the end. that makes Katara 2 years older than him. a great thing for zutarians to target them at. but wait. If Katara is 14, and Zuko is 16, that makes him 2 years older than her. so anyone who’s used that excuse has bascically made an idiot out of themselves. also, zutara may seem great and all, but zutarians must wake up and see this is simply a fantasy. Katara dosent want Zuko. he dosent want her, at least, not in that way. she hugs him in this episode. a lot of people thought this made them a couple. well, they have to ask themselves “If I hug my brother, or my dad, or a guy that’s your friend, does that make me romantically and iressistebly tied to them…?” um….NO! Katara acts motherly because Aangs her best friend, and also he’s the avatar, and to loose him would be a major blow on the world. Kataang=reality.
Zutara=fake.
If anything, Zuko is too mature in spirit for Katara. at least Katara is joyful, and young at spirit she fits so well with Aang. its a great romance that i can see working out. Zutara would crumblr and fail.
Posted on July 15th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
pupicucek:
Katara is the stupidest person on the show!
I hate her! She think she is boss or something like that….. Stupid Katara. >:(
In real life that man would have a stroke or infarction…
Posted on July 15th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
aImMeE:
Kataang does work. I have my reasons why i think this is. a lot of people think kataangers and maiokans are bullies against Zutarians, however, in my case i have found it quite the other way around….
on other sites i’ve been on, the majority of viewers were fangirls, and the majority of fangirls were zutarians. im a fangirl, and i support other fangirls, but a lot of the zutarians got way too competetive, like they were insulted by taang, kataang and maiokans supporting what they believed in. i would like to piont out that avatar is for kids. digavatar is for kids. so why get angry at people you don’t know? Im 12 going on 13 and im sure a lot of you are much older. i was in a school where almost all the kids watched niktoons and avatar. i can remember being called weird or strange for liking kataang. people frequently call Kataang “Insest” or “inbreeding” because it would seem that aang and katara are related. well , people have to realise that they are NOT related. aang likes katara, he has a crush on her, she has too, perhaps not as much as he has on her, but still! as i said earlier, ava
Posted on July 15th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
aImMeE:
sorry, i pressed submit comment by accident! anyway, as i said earlier, avatar is for kids, therefor, a relationship must be sutible for children. the creators dont want kids getting wrong ideas. a popular excuse used by zutarians against kataangers is “Katara is too old for Aang”, and so on. well, heres something that they cannot answer for. Katara is 14. Aang is 12. that makes katara 2 years older than him. that what zutarians target at. but wait. if katara is 14, and zuko is 16, that makes Zuko 2 years older than her. plus Zuko acts way beyond 16, he acts more like an adult. Katara, although mature, still shows a fun loving and joyful personality, which fits perfectly with that of aang’s. Zuko’s harsh past has left him with anger issues. he looks towords the negetive. katara is usually positive, looking towords the bright side of things. Aang and Katara’s romantic relationship may not wander far beyond kissing passionatly, but you must remember avatar is a kids show. its sad to see all the fan art, porn, and parodies that portray avatar as something its so not. most of this porno fan art is by zutarians. i admit that i, and all lot of other fans want a more, shall we say, teen intresting romance, some of us would even go as far as wanting sex scenes. please wake up and see that childhood dosent last long. Kataang is so much better, innocent, and yet mature. Zutara is a mess of hormones, feelings and possibly, sadness.
thank you all for hearing me out, if you’ve read this. i badly needed to get that off my chest. anyone who wants to argue, or bully me over this, you’ve come to the wrong place.i believe in freedom of speech.
KATAANG FOREVERMORExxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Posted on July 15th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
jakeeeeeeee:
pupicuek.
Your giving me a stroke and infraction with all this negetive shit. go on,submit a positive for once, and stop banging on about someone who dosent exist. listen,friend, fan girls are out there, and they’ll come and get you in the night if you dont zip the lip dipshit.
depressing ep:(
Posted on July 15th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
aImMeE:
Read my comment people. I look up to people who can speak their mind without targeting another. i look down on bullies, or people who think its outrageous to even mention Kataang or Taang or Zutara or whatever. lets put an end to this inmaturity, and get along. if you choose otherwise, well, you obviously love fights. i have and never will bully someone or even tease about their opinions. dont lower yourself.
Posted on July 15th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
K@ty@rr@gh:
How SICK!!!! some people are just driving me to the verge of insanity! Tiana, watch what you say coz you can hurt feelings! not mine, im zutara, but friends of mine who are members of this site. you go on blah blah blah about being offended by kataangers and Maiokans being arrogant and thinking they can insult anyone they want. are you calling my sister, best friend and other friends arrogant? one of my friends just sent an understanding comment and she’s kataang! calling all kataangers arrogant is being arrogant yourself!
Ash’s comment was the best i’ve seen yet. he’s right. Peace, Bermuda and Tiana are making me feel depressed and offended. theres a few other people as well getting on my nerves. Im a zutarian. do you see me making all this fuss? no! i want to enjoy avatar!
Posted on July 15th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
!*Water tribe angel is now a lil candy raver fangirl*!:
Ok, whats going on?
this is all just LOAD. Melanie, Peace, Bermuda and Tiana, im deeply sorry if you think kataangers out to get you, but seriously, i think you have paranoia! Melanie, your comment made out that Kataangers are bullies, but look around. all the complaining and nagging is done by zutarians! anyway, this paticularaly pisses me off coz im irish, and in ireland we hate all this negetive moany piss. enjoy avatar, OK? learn to be HAPPY>
Posted on July 15th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Haya:
Wow, just another load of chizz and negativity T_T -sigh- Can you people just forget about the fighting and just watch the darn show!?
Posted on July 16th, 2010 at 1:06 am
!Kataang!cutie;D! HURT UPSET AND DISGUSTED:
I’ve had enough!
you can slag me off for being Australian
you can tease me for having braces
but the one thing i wont stand for is being called arrogant. Melanie, your comment was so horrible in ructured my usually placid nature. i used to go around having my say about my views of kataang, but never was i arrogant or cruel in any way. you said kataangers had ’some nerve’ and we put you through years of pain and suffering. um…NOT ON THIS SITE!!!! lets put an stop to it. and Peace, your friends comment probably wasnt removed because she’s zutarian! R.U.B.I.S.H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its not you fighting back that hurts me. its your sour, critical, rude and imature hate mail that’s hurt the feelings of people, who are most likley to be younger than you! let us believe what we want! ITS A WORK OF BLOODY FICTION. except it!
Posted on July 16th, 2010 at 4:38 am
Kataang lives on despite contrevorsey:
First of all, thank you dig avatar for this site. I apreciate it. I would to piont out to my fellow Kataangers and Maiokans that no matter what someone who dosent know you says, you are not arrogant, melicous, ruthless or anything else. people who say this are wrong and are lying. they like to make out that they are the real victims, but in turn they mock and offend others to the piont that some of us may consider switching to Zutara. dont change for them. remember, Kataang is beautiful, fun and passionate. its true avatar romance, which is exciting and yet straight forward. at the end of the day, avatar is for a young group, and so a coupling must be innocent enough for a younger audiance. avatar may outlive it’s 6-11 year old viewers, but then shippers(Most commonly zutarians) spoil it with sickening porn. as my friend said, we have no problem with them “Fighting back” as they like to call it, but its this immature, cruel, shallow and extremely offensive way of portraying Kataangers and Maiokans. they call us degrading names, stereotypicaley marking us as Melicous and Ruthless. that’s like if one black person bullies you, and then you start calling all black people bullies. I pity them if they were bullied by someone else, but they’ve crossed the line now, accusing innocent young girls of something their not. if your Kataang BE PROUD OF IT.
coz at the end of the day Kataang’s real, and Zutara’s NOT.
Posted on July 16th, 2010 at 10:41 am
Destiny Hope:
I would need many, many pages to give reasons as to why Zutara is politically incorrect. first and formost, Zutara was invented through use of shipping as spin-off idea. Fans who developed a strong liking of this “Fantasy” idea began calling themselves Zutarians, much like the previous Kataangers. somewhere along the line, Zutarians were bullied by Maikoans and Kataangers. lets study both sides. While those kataangers/Maikoans were totally out of line critisising and probably offrending zutararians, Zutarians soon spread to this site, and began attacking innocent Kataangers who have never bullied. they call us melicous and arrogant, without any awarness of who we are. They go on stereotypicly, making out that THEY are the victims, quick to snup out anyone defending that right. I have scanned this site and found no traces of bullying againts Zutarians, but rather, zutarians vicously snapping out long comments about how all kataangers are Vile. its this kind of hateful propaganda that leaves people hurt and upset.
Kataangers are the true fans who understand each charecter’s personality and emotions. we understand who wants who, and dont randomley put couples together who do not want eachother in romantic ways. I know on other sites Kataangers are bullies, but on this site we respect another’s opinion. you are WRONG to call us names and mock our beliefs. Zutara poisoning avatar with its overly mature manor. it’s unrealistic. Zuko’s anger issues are not a compatible match with Katara’s usually placid nature. even if Zuko has changed recently, the scars of his past will always be present. Aang has matured greatly, and is now ready to be with the perfect girl. Because that’s whats important. TRUE love. that’s something Zutara can never have because of Zuko’s troubled past.
many Zutarians on this site have taken a new attitude of foul hatred. in the end, this will lead to unpopularity. I admire Zutarians such as Hen, who can express their beliefs without hurting other peoples feelings. but now Melanie, Peace, Bermuda and Tiana are being two-faced by saying their teased, and yet they tease in return. they like to use the word two faced aswell. they should learn what this means. I have no problem with Zutarians as long as they express without insulting or offending others. them fighting back dosent bother me. it’s their hyprocritical, cruel, offensive and bullyish way off marking us as something we are not. they have some nerve! ;[
Posted on July 16th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Heidi Tucker:
I SO agree with Haya. a I support Zutara, but hate all this uncalled for debating, taking up huge amounts of space. its selfish on their part! ah well, another thing I agree about is your sumary of Taang.
At the end of that episode(THE HEADBAND) Toph does a lot of nice complimenting, but then Katara kisses him on the cheek and Aang smiles
Here comes the part when i get stuck between Zutara, Taang, and Kataang. in that episode, I fell in love with Aang. he was a real charmer! at the start he seems to like Ongii, that schoolgirl, then Katara when hes dancing with her, then Toph, then Katara again. here Im confused. and in the crossroads of destiny, thers a zutara moment, but then she hates him for nearly killing Aang! and then they kiss two more times, and i get dissapionted!
TAANG 4eva!!!!!!!
Posted on July 17th, 2010 at 8:05 am
*!water tribe angel is now a lil kandi raver fangirl!*:
Let me put this clearly so this stupid contrevorsey wil end. Kataang is there and its real no matter what you all say, think or do. Taang, Tokka, even Zutara are a great, creative mix of what you all personly think. but im sorry, i must i must put this blunt. Will liking Zutara change script? will wanting Taang change Aang’s deep love for Katara? Will all this shipping, arguing and bullying go back to change the very fibres that keep the show alive?
The answer my friends is no. lets go back to the beginning. Aang forms an imediate friendship with Katara. he couldn’t help himself smiling at her all the time. Katara bonded with him right away, feeling protective of him. but she didnt return the love THEN. but in the fourtuneteller, this all began to change. at the end, she’s looking up at him fighting the volcano, and her eyes fill with passion. that’s the spark. that’s it. she dosent mention it ever again, probably feeling awkward because he’s her best friend, and perhaps she thinks he dosent like her that way.
That passion returns again in The cave Of two Lovers. why else would she blush and flutter her eyelashes at the thought of kissing Aang? because she likes him! she’s just too embaressed to admit it. when they do kiss, she shows hints of a serious and growing crush.
Haya, Im happy you can express yourself without being mean but your comment dosent prove much. Just because Toph compliments Aang dosent mean she likes him. im sorry, but if i complimented you it wouldnt mean I liked you, would it? And Aang being worried about Toph’s feet also isnt convincing. Katara can calm Aang out of the avatar state. that proves they have a speical connection! watch the episode THE GURU if you love pure, passionate and undying true love. Aang’s love for Katara is unbeliveble!!!
Posted on July 17th, 2010 at 9:40 am
Username:
“What are you gonna do when you face my father?”
“Probably die.”
P.S. Aang x Katara
Sokka x Warrior girl
Zuko x Mei (or whtever shes called, gloomy girl)
We know about these… So, Toph x ? (maybe with Aang or Zuko or Sokka, harem cant be that bad)
Posted on July 18th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
ZukoFTW:
@Ash
so let me get this str8 you dont belive in young love? im 13 and i have a girlfriend so y cant they. tell me that plz tell me………… you got nothin
Anyways on subject you ppl obvisly dont watch a lot of tv to understand how twists work no one would wanna watch a book 4 (if they make one) if katara and aang get together because everyone saw it comeing. The writers would wanna put a twist *cough* Zutara *cough* cough* because ppl would watch it duh
Posted on July 19th, 2010 at 12:49 am
Haya:
I just wanted to point out to *!water tribe angel is now a lil kandi raver fangirl!* that I clearly wrote that MY FRIEND had those opinions NOT me.
And the whole compliment thing is actually quiet true… imagine this:
A person, who you find intimidating and so strong, in a small form. They bullied you, to push you in the right direction… they insulted and bruised you until you were so sick of it, that you lose who you really are inside.
Then this person comes out of the blue and complements you on a small little job. And it isn’t just any compliment, it’s one that means so much to them but you don’t realise… (”-You set them free…” .<), it could mean that they have a strong family bond too. He may love her, but it might not eacty mean that its the whole ‘Love- Love’ (Sorry for using Primary terms… Once again.. I’m tired) thing is accurate. It may mean family love…
Aaaannnddd…. One more the thing:
What would have happened if Aang let Katara go? Would he have still loved her the way he does? Or would he come to his sences? (According to some Taang fans :/)
Sooo… thanks for the people who supported what me and my friend have said. And thankyou to those people who made me HAPPY (Note the sarcasm) enough to write this long and annoying speech.
NOTE TO THE DIPWADS:
I DON’T CARE WHAT SHIP YOU PREFER! JUST WHATCH THE DAMN SHOW PEOPLE, THATS WHAT I’M SAYING. AND ANOTHER THING… STOP MAKING ME WORKED UP OVER THIS WHOLE CHIZZ… BECAUSE IF IT’S ONE THING I LOVE, ITS DEBATING… AND I ALWAYS WIN.
Posted on July 19th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Water tribe angel:
Um…ok, i just said my opinion….anyway my aim is to NOT drag on this war thing….I just think Kataang is more TRUE love, but Taang is my third favourite Tokka….BEST TOPH PAIRING!!!
anyway, yeah, my opinion is just what I think shouldnt spin you into a rage. Kataang is just so perfect, long lasting love that WILL last. Because Aang replaces his love for his nomads with Katara… he does that with NO ONE else. ah well, just a little 13 year old crazy avatar’ss fan opinion….
Posted on July 20th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Water tribe angel:
P.S
I havent said anything mean, disrespectful etc. I JUST SAID WHAT I THOUGHT!!!! I have never told anyone to stop being Zutarian, Taang, whatever. my bestest friend in the whole world is Taang! my step sis is Zutarian! im just sick to death of this “Shipping War”. and the more i tell people its stupid, the more they’ll do it. and saying “I always win” is deffo one of the more childish things I have heard within my 13 years on this earth. there’s no prize, nothing to win. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. Because its fiction people! NOT REAL! just be a normal fan, OK? Just put up with the true facts of avatar and live with it. I HATEHATEHATEHATE Maiko, but I can put up with it coz I love avatar SOOOOOO much. ask yourself “Am I a True fan if i constently complain about couplings?”
NO!!!!!!!
And if anyone gets pissed off at me for being Kataang go ahead. I have my own personal life problems, and I couldnt care less if anyone despises me for who I am. and, not wanting to be immature, but Im superb at winning debates. It’s one of my talents!(BUT DONT DRAG THIS ON IF YOU LOVE AVATAR)
Posted on July 20th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Earth Kingdom Angel:
If its a debate you want….I havent lost one EVER. although it cant count coz im Taang….
Im sorry, im just a debating FREAK! its my PASSION!!! I never lose…never….
go *!WTA!* bffs 4eva!
Posted on July 20th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Water Tribe Angel:
AW…thanks!
Posted on July 20th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Earth Kingdom Angel:
Haya
Your “Speech” was uncalled for. what age are you??? learn to be MATURE. *WTA*=best friend ever!!!!! NOT a DIPWAD!!!!
Posted on July 20th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Th3 4V474R:
Wow, man just … wow. I can’t believe the lengths people have went on here to defend romances between fictional characters. It’s crazy. Never knew people could feel so STRONGLY about something so trivial.
Posted on July 21st, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Watertribe333:
It’s amazing to me that so many people get so worked up about such things as FICTIONAL couples on a cartoon show. I mean, seriously, the writers knew what they were doing and they wrote it that way. Why can’t you just accept that?
Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with people who like to pair up characters with other people but don’t get so upset if someone disagrees with you. I swear its like ii’m reading a bunch of essays on why this person was wrong and that person was right. It. Is. Just. A. Show.
Posted on July 21st, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Mizore:
I love this episode! It’s one of my favourites together with the Puppet Master, The Blind Bandit and The Ember Island players. And I really think Zuko has to end up with Katara. But I already know it’s not going to happen. Toph should end up with Sokka. But I really like Suki also. By the way Toph and Zuko would be great to. I loved their confersation when they were alone in The Ember Island Players episode. That was really cute. And also in that weird episode where Aang disappears to go to the giant lion turtle, she wanted to look for him together with Zuko. When she hold his arm and said: “I want to go with Zuko!” he blushed! Hahah! And also between Sokka and Toph there was a cute moment. When Toph almost died and Sokka held her hand. Did anyone noticed that when Toph relized she was going to die together wit Sokka she cried! Oh my God. That was so adorable. I absolutely hate Katara and Aang together! Aang is so….yuck. And Katara is so awesome! Zuko is awesome to! But Toph is my favourite character! And Zuko my second. I loved Suki in the boiling rock episodes! When the riot came and she ran over those people’s heads and then she climbed on the wall! I mean the wall was straight! Isn’t that sick! But it is very obvious that Toph is in love with Sokka! That funny part when they met Suki again and Toph was drowning. And she thought that Sokka saved her but it was Suki. She kissed her on the cheeks and said; “Oh Sokka! You saved me.” And when she heared it was Suki’s voice she was like: “Oh. You can go ahead and let me drown now.” And that time when she blushed when Sokka came back from his training with his master. I wish Tokka (Toph x Sokka) would end up togeter. Just like Zutara! It’s not that I hate Mai. I think she’s cool. But it’s just that; why should Zuko fall for such a depressing child! (No offense Mai)
Wow, long comment xD
Bye <3
Avatar rules!
Posted on July 24th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
xxxNaDiiNexxx:
Wow I love this episode
Katara is awesome and Zuko is so kind. Sokka is hilarious!! But how come Toph wasn’t shown in this ep…? v .v Sad waffle…
As you can tell, I am a major Toph fan
I love the last diologue at the end…
“You were right, violence isn’t the answer…”
“It never is…”
“Then let me ask you something… what are you going to do when you face my father?”
I Love You Zuko And Aang
_< xD
Posted on July 28th, 2010 at 2:24 am
zuko=love:
ehehe , this site is getting like high school . my best friend is a kataanger and im a zutarian. did i mention BEST FRIEND ? come on guys , lets please learn to get along i mean i have a passion for this show and i respect everyones opinion , but theres no reason to fight over it . and , please no ” they started it . ” stuff with me , because you have the power to end it . so i say if anyone else out there is willing to stop this , then maybe we can . and i know you want to prove your shipping , but if the rest of the kataangers are anything like my best friend , theres no use . i mean , your not going to switch sides because of a few good points , are you ? trust me , i love zutara , but in an innocent way . oh god , i feel like iroh here
Posted on July 28th, 2010 at 9:59 pm